{"id":38,"date":"2008-12-29T11:34:53","date_gmt":"2008-12-29T10:34:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/armanami.org\/blog\/?p=38"},"modified":"2009-10-06T11:37:02","modified_gmt":"2009-10-06T10:37:02","slug":"protlu-forum-ti-problemi-di-minoritati","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.armanami.org\/blog\/protlu-forum-ti-problemi-di-minoritati\/","title":{"rendered":"Protlu Forum ti Problemi di Minoritati"},"content":{"rendered":"

Sumu apanghiulu UNO ( United Nations Organization ), tu 15-li shi 16-li di Andreu 2008, s-dizv\u00e2rti Geneva \/ Helvetie, protlu Forum ti Problemi di Minoritati ( United Nations Forum on Minority Issues ) cu thema \u201eMinorit\u00e3ts sh Ndreptulu la Educatsiuni\/Praxi\u201c( \u201eMinorities and the Right to Education\u201c ). La aestu Forum, iu loar\u00e2 parti experts\u00e2 tu problemi di minoritati di iutsido, ditu tutu laolu, ditu Evropa, America, Africa, Australia, Asia, cumu sh reprezentants\u00e2 ditu multi minorit\u00e3ts, Arm\u00e2namea fu reprezentat\u00e2 di un\u00e2 parei di trei inshi : Prezidentulu CA Yiani Mantsu, Vitseprezidentulu CA Steryiu Samara sh Gr\u00e2m\u00e2ticlu Gheneralu Niculaki Caracota. D\u00e3mu ma-nghiosu zborlu ts\u00e2nutu di Niculaki Caracota cumu sh interventsiunea oral\u00e2 alu Yiani Mantsu, orighinallu shi apridutsearea pi arm\u00e2neashti.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Zboru N. Caracota <\/span>
\nMadame la Pr\u00e9sidente, Mesdames et Messieurs, <\/span>
\nMerci de m\u2019avoir donn\u00e9 la parole. Je vous parle au nom du Conseil des Armans (Macedonarmans), qui repr\u00e9sente un peuple des plus anciens, toujours vivant dans les Balkans, en Albanie, Gr\u00e9ce, Fyrom, Bulgarie, Roumanie, Serbie.
\nCe peuple qui parle sa langue, l\u2019arman (macedonarman) est bilingue depuis toujours, \u00e0 c\u00f4t\u00e9 des Grecs \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9poque d\u2019Alexandre le Grand, \u00e0 c\u00f4t\u00e9 des Romans \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9poque de l\u2019Empire Romain et Byzantin, \u00e0 c\u00f4t\u00e9 des Turcs \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9poque de l\u2019Empire Ottoman, \u00e0 c\u00f4t\u00e9 de tous les peuples qui sont devenus des nations \u00e0 partir de 19 si\u00e8cle. Par ce type de bilinguisme nous avons pr\u00e9serv\u00e9 nos valeurs et en m\u00eame temps nous avons montr\u00e9 le respect et l\u2019amour pour ceux \u00e0 c\u00f4t\u00e9 desquels nous vivons. <\/span>
\nCela veut dire que nous sommes depuis toujours un peuple europ\u00e9en, peut \u00eatre le premier comme devrait l\u2019\u00eatre tout peuple dans une vrai Europe unie. Aujourd\u2019hui quand l\u2019Europe se rend compte de sa diversit\u00e9 et de son importance que cela l\u2019a dans son enrichissement, nous sommes en p\u00e9ril de dispara\u00eetre, parce que les peuples \u00e0 c\u00f4t\u00e9 desquels nous vivons ont peur de reconna\u00eetre notre identit\u00e9 et notre culture. Ils ont peur de ne pas para\u00eetre plus petits face \u00e0 d\u2019autres peuples dont la grandeur n\u2019est pas mise en cause.
\nPar cons\u00e9quent nous n\u2019avons aucun droit et nous n\u2019existons pas en Roumanie, en Gr\u00e8ce, en Albanie et dans les autres Etats o\u00f9 nous vivons.
\nN\u00e9anmoins nous pensons qu\u2019il n\u2019y a pas des grands et des petits peuples.
\nNous devons avoir pourtant le m\u00eame statut : <\/span>peuple europ\u00e9en<\/strong> <\/span>qui devrait \u00eatre au moins bilingue.
\nTout d\u2019abord je vous rassure que nous sommes porteurs des valeurs universelles que nous voulons transmettre \u00e0 nos descendants, au moins dans deux langues comme nous l\u2019avons fait par le pass\u00e9, tout simplement parce que nous consid\u00e9rons que le mot \u00ab europ\u00e9en \u00bb va de soi avec le mot \u00ab bilinguisme \u00bb. C\u2019est pour cette raison que nous tenons \u00e0 rester au moins bilingues comme tout Europ\u00e9en devrait l\u2019\u00eatre.
\nVoila pourquoi je dis \u00e0 tous ceux \u00e0 c\u00f4t\u00e9 desquels nous vivons : \u00ab N\u2019ayez pas peur, reconnaissez nous et aidez nous \u00e0 pr\u00e9server notre langue et notre culture, car ce sont une source incontestable de richesse et de bonheur pour tous les peuples, le n\u00f4tre comme le v\u00f4tre. Nous sommes le meilleur liant de tous les peuples des Balkans, o\u00f9 la paix et l\u2019amour doit nous rassembler tous \u00bb.
\nNous esp\u00e9rons que la Recommandation que vous pr\u00e9par\u00e9 concernant le droit de tous les peuples \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9ducation dans sa propre langue maternelle ainsi que la Recommandation 1333\/1997 du Conseil de l\u2019Europe, qui nous a reconnu une fois de plus et qui demande aux Etats o\u00f9 nous vivons de nous aider \u00e0 pr\u00e9server notre langue et notre identit\u00e9, aideront les Armans (Macedonarmans) rester en vie avec leur langue et leur culture comme ils ont v\u00e9cu depuis toujours.<\/p>\n

Je vous remercie beaucoup pour m\u2019avoir \u00e9cout\u00e9.<\/p>\n

Tinjisit\u00e2 Doamn\u00e2 Prezident\u00e2, Tinjnisiti Doamni, Tinjisits Domnji, <\/span><\/p>\n

Haristo ti tinjia tsi nj-u featsitu s\u2019potu s\u2019aspunu sh mini unu zboru. <\/span><\/p>\n

V\u00e2 zbur\u00e3scu tu numa a Consillui Arm\u00e2njiloru ic\u00e2 Makedonarm\u00e2njiloru, cari easti unu populu evropeanu, di-atseali ma vecljili, cari ninga b\u00e2neadz\u00e2 tu Balkanu : tu Arbinishie, G\u00e2rtsie, Ripublica Makidunia (FYROM), V\u00e2ry\u00e2rie, Rum\u00e2nie, S\u00e2rghie.
\nAestu populu, cari ari limba lui, limba arm\u00e2n\u00e2 ic\u00e2 makedonarm\u00e2n\u00e2, iasti bilingvu di totna, anamisa di grets, tu kirolu alu Alexandru, anamisa di romanji, tu kirolu a amir\u00e2riljei roman\u00e2 sh bizantin\u00e2, anamisa di turts\u00e2, tu kirolu a amir\u00e2riljei otoman\u00e2, anamisa di tuti populili cu cari adrar\u00e2 craturi natsionali, ahurhindalui di la eta 19. Bilingvismul iasti tr\u00e2 noi un\u00e2 soie di ban\u00e2 cari n\u2019 agiut\u00e2 s\u2019ts\u00e2nemu axiili tsi li avemu di totna shi, pi\u2019alt\u00e2 parti easti semnu di tinjia tsi u avemu ti atselji di alt\u00e2 ar\u00e2zg\u00e2 cu cari b\u00e2n\u00e3mu deadunu.
\nAesta va s\u2019dz\u00e2c\u00e2 c\u00e2 noi himu di totna unu populu evropeanu, vahi protlu populu evropeanu cari ari axiili tsi li caft\u00e2 Europa unit\u00e2 di adz\u00e2.
\nAma, adz\u00e2, c\u00e2ndu Evropa ahurheashti s\u2019pric\u00e2noasc\u00e2 diversitatea\/diafuraua anamisa di populi sh bag\u00e2 mari simasii ti arhundeatsa a ljei cultural\u00e2, noi, Arm\u00e2njlji, himu tu piricljiu s\u2019kiremu, ti furnjia c\u00e2 populili anamisa di cari b\u00e2n\u00e3mu au frixi s\u2019n\u00e2 pric\u00e2noasc\u00e2 identitetlu sh cultura a noast\u00e2. Au frixi s\u2019n\u00e2 pric\u00e2noasc\u00e2 ti furnjia s\u2019nu par\u00e2 ma njits andicra di alti populi ma m\u00e3ri.
\nIa ti tsi noi nu avemu nitsi unu andreptu, nu exist\u00e3mu, nu himu luyursits ca populu ahoryia tu Rum\u00e2nie, G\u00e2rtsie, Arbinishie sh alanti craturi iu b\u00e2n\u00e3mu.
\nAma noi minduimu c\u00e2 tu Europa nu ari \u201cpopuli m\u00e3ri\u201d sh \u201cpopuli njits\u201d. Noi himu sh\u2019 prindi s\u2019himu cu idyiulu statutu, ca populu evropeanu cari esti nai pts\u00e2nu bilingvu.
\nNiniti di tuti, voi s\u2019v\u00e2 spunu c\u00e2 noi avemu dhoar\u00e2\/axii universali cari vremu s\u2019li tritsemu la fumeljili a noasti, nai pts\u00e2nu tu dau\u00e2 limbi, ashi cumu u f\u00e2tsemu di totna : tu limba di dad\u00e2 sh\u2019tu limba a popului anamisa di cari b\u00e2n\u00e3mu. <\/span>
\nTr\u00e2 noi, s-hii \u201cevropeanu\u201d ari noima sh\u2019di bilingvismu.
\nTr\u2019aest\u00e2, l\u00e2 dz\u00e2tsemu atsiloru anamisa di cari b\u00e2n\u00e3mu: \u201cNu avets frixi, pric\u00e2nushtets\u2019n\u00e2 sh agiutats\u2019n\u00e2 s\u2019n\u00e2 vigljemu identitetlu sh cultura a noast\u00e2, cari suntu unu izvuru incontestabilu di arhundeats\u00e2 sh harau\u00e2 ti tuti populili, ti a nostu cumu sh\u2019ti a voasti. Noi himu lig\u00e2tura\/liantul nai ma bunu andicra di tuti populili ditu Balkanu, iu isihia sh vrearea prindi s\u2019n\u2019adun\u00e2 tuts deadunu tu aest\u00e2 parti ditu Europa iu b\u00e2n\u00e3mu di daima\u201d. Avemu n\u00e2dia c\u00e2 Dim\u00e2ndarea\/Ricomandarea cari s\u2019andreadzi tora, aoa, sh cari siyur\u00e2pseashti andreptul tsi lu ari cathi populu la praxi tu limba di dad\u00e2, cumu sh Ricomandarea 1333 a Consillui ali Evrop\u00e2 di la 1997, cari n\u00e2 pric\u00e2n\u00e2scu ca populu ahoryea, s-l\u00e2 caft\u00e2 la tuti populili anamisa di cari b\u00e2n\u00e3mu s\u2019n\u2019agiut\u00e2 la vigljearea a identitetlui a nostu, s\u2019agiut\u00e2 Arm\u00e2njilji, ic\u00e2 Makedonarm\u00e2njilji, s\u2019arm\u00e2n\u00e2 tu ban\u00e2 cu limba a lor, ashi cumu b\u00e2nar\u00e2 di totna.
\nV\u00e2 h\u00e2ristusescu ti ascultari.<\/p>\n

Zboru\/Interventsiuni Yiani Mantsu<\/p>\n

Mrs. Chairperson, thank you very much for giving me the opportunity to point out some issues<\/p>\n

I would first like to point out some issues regarding the use of the term \u201eminority\u201c. When we talk about \u201eminorities\u201c it is necessary to make a difference between minorities :
\n– firstly, there are minorities with a kin \u2013 state, minorities which are supported and encouraged by these states they live in;
\n– secondly, there are minorities which never established their own state, an example is the Macedonarman people in Balkan countries, one of the oldest people in Europe with deepest roots in Antique Macedonia. This ethnic people feel themselves discriminated, for example in Greece, when they are considered a minority, they are actually autochthonous there. The Macedonarman people have their own language and culture, but have no access to education in their own language \u2013 nowhere \u2013 neither in Grece, nor in Albania, nor in FYROM* (R. Of Macedonia), nor in Bulgaria, nor in Romania. <\/span><\/p>\n

Therefore, I would suggest for the Draft Recommendation to point out clearly the term autochthonous people and especially, people without an own state.
\nI would also suggest for the Draft Recommendation, to accurately define the term \u201cdialect \u2013 language\u201d. There are states which do not support national minorities or do not even recognize ethnic groups as minorities, considering that these minorities speak a dialect of the majority language and could not be therefore considered a minority. An example in this direction is Romania, where the macedonarman people constitutes an immigrant minority. Their language is though related to the Romanian Language, also a Romance Language, but the Arman (Macedonarman) people is distinct from the Romanian people.
\nThe Council of Macedonarmans, established by many Arman communities from Balkan countries and registered as a legal entity with the Department of Justice in Tirana, Albania, is particularly preoccupied by gaining recognition for the Arm\u00e2ns, in each Balkan country, where they have been living organized in communities since time immemorial, as a distinct, autochthonous, and regional people, who speak their own millenary language dating back to the ancient Macedonia. Considering the critical situation of the Arm\u00e2ns (Macedonarm\u00e2ns) in all above \u2013 mentioned Balkan countries and the silence of the institutions from these countries regarding the acces of this people to the education in their own language, we will greatly appreciate an expertise made by the Independent Expert on Minority Issues and find practical and judicial solutions for that.<\/p>\n

Thanks for your attention !<\/p>\n

* la UNO ashi easti R. Makidunia c\u00e2n\u00e2scut\u00e2, cu numa FYROM <\/span><\/p>\n

Tinjisit\u00e2 Prezident\u00e2, <\/span><\/p>\n

Haristo c\u00e2-nj si deadi furnjia s\u00e2 spunu-ndau\u00e2 zboar\u00e2.
\nProta sh-prota voiu s-dz\u00e2cu-ndau\u00e2 lucri ti zborlu \u201cminoritati\u201d.
\nC\u00e2ndu zbur\u00e2mu ti \u201cminorit\u00e3ts\u201d prindi s-f\u00e2tsemu dheafurau\u00e2 anamisa di:
\n–\tminorit\u00e3tsli cari au din\u00e2poi unu cratu natsiunalu shi suntu andrup\u00e2ti, agiutati di elu;
\n– minorit\u00e3ts cari nu thimiljiusir\u00e2 can\u00e2oar\u00e2 tu isturie cratlu-a loru shi unu ahtari populu suntu Arm\u00e2njilji\/Makedonarm\u00e2njilji cari b\u00e2neadz\u00e3 tu v\u00e2siliili ditu Balcanu \u2013 unu di nai ma vecljili milets cu ah\u00e2ndoasi ar\u00e2d\u00e2tsinji tu Makidunia Antic\u00e2.<\/p>\n

Tu ahtari catandisi suntu Arm\u00e2njilji ditu G\u00e2rtsie cari s-dukescu discriminats c\u00e2ndu suntu luyursits \u201cminoritati\u201d ti furnjia c\u00e2 elji suntu aclo autohtonji\/b\u00e2n\u00e2tori di daima. Populu Arm\u00e2nu\/Makedonarm\u00e2n ari limba shi cultura a lui, ama tu can\u00e2 ditu v\u00e2silili iu b\u00e2neadz\u00e2 (G\u00e2rtsia, Arbinishia, Rip. Makidunia – FYROM, V\u00e2ry\u00e2ria, Rom\u00e2nia ) nu au actsesu la-nvits\u00e2mintu\/ educatsiuni tu limba a loru. <\/span>
\nTr-atsea facu pripunirea ca tu DRAFT RECOMMANDATION s\u00e2 s-fac\u00e2 un\u00e2 ma bun\u00e2 limbidzari a zborlui\/termenlui di minoritati ti unu populu autohton ic\u00e2 ti unu populu tsi nu ari unu cratu a lui.
\nTutu ti DRAFT RECOMMANDATION voiu s-facu pripunirea ti un\u00e2 ma bun\u00e2 limbidzari a zborlui \u201cdialectu-limb\u00e2\u201d. Ari craturi cari nu-ndrup\u00e2scu shi nitsi nu pric\u00e2noscu grupurli etnitsi ca minorit\u00e3ts ti furnjia c\u00e2 taha eali zbur\u00e3scu unu dialectu di la limba magioritar\u00e2 shi-ashi nu poati s-hib\u00e2 pric\u00e2n\u00e2scuti ca \u201cminoritati\u201d. Un\u00e2 paradiym\u00e2 ti-aest\u00e2 catandisi easti Rum\u00e2nia, iu Arm\u00e3njlji \/Makedonarm\u00e2njilji suntu un\u00e2 minoritati \u201eimigrant\u00e2\u201c\/vinit\u00e2. Limba Arm\u00e2neasc\u00e3 undzeashti cu Rum\u00e2na, c\u00e2 dauli au ar\u00e2zg\u00e2 latin\u00e2, ama populu arm\u00e2nu\/makedonarm\u00e2nu easti unu populu ahoryea di-atselu ditu Rum\u00e2nia. Cunsillu Arm\u00e2njiloru\/Makedonarm\u00e2njiloru, thimiljiusitu di ma multi sutsati ditu v\u00e2siliili balcanitsi shi pric\u00e2n\u00e2scutu la giudico ca organismu legalu la Dopartamentulu di Giustitsii di Tirana, Arbinishii, ari ca protu scupo pric\u00e2nushtearea Arm\u00e2njiloru ca populu ahoryea tu tuti v\u00e2siliili ditu Balcanu, iu b\u00e2neadz\u00e3 ditu eta etiloru shi iu – shi zbur\u00e3scu shi-adz\u00e2 limba loru di njilji di anji, cari sh-ari z\u00e2rtsinjili tu Makidunia veaclji\/antic\u00e2.
\nLuyursinda greaua catandisi tu cari s-afl\u00e2 Arm\u00e2njlji\/Makedonarm\u00e2jilji tu tuti v\u00e2siliili ditu Balcanu, spusi ma-ndzean\u00e2, shi t\u00e2tsearea a kivernisiloru \/guverniloru, a institutsiunjiloru ditu aesti craturi tu tsi mutreashti actseslu la educatsiuni\/anvits\u00e2mintu tu limba a loru, va n\u00e2 h\u00e2rsimu s\u00e2 s-fac\u00e2 un\u00e2 Mutreari\/Expertidz\u00e2 di partea a \u201cIndependent Expert on Minority Issues\u201d (Expertu independentu tr\u00e2 Problemlu a Minorit\u00e3tsloru) cari s-afl\u00e2 c\u00e3ljiurli practitsi shi giuriditsi tr\u00e2 ishearea ditu aest\u00e2 catandisi tu cari s-afl\u00e2 adz\u00e2 Arm\u00e2njilji\/Makedonarm\u00e2njilji. Haristo ti-ascultari!<\/p>\n

Consillu Arm\u00e2njlor \/ Biroulu Executiv
\nPrezidentu CA \u2013 Yiani Mantsu \/ Frankfurt, tu 29-li di Andreu 2008<\/p>\n

15-16 di Andreu 2008 \u2013 Geneva, Helvetie<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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