{"id":3634,"date":"2022-04-10T13:31:43","date_gmt":"2022-04-10T12:31:43","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.armanami.org\/blog\/?p=3634"},"modified":"2022-04-10T13:35:52","modified_gmt":"2022-04-10T12:35:52","slug":"dialog-intre-dumitru-piceava-si-nicolas-trifon-despre-patria-aromanilor","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.armanami.org\/blog\/dialog-intre-dumitru-piceava-si-nicolas-trifon-despre-patria-aromanilor\/","title":{"rendered":"Dialog \u00eentre Dumitru Piceava\u00a0\u0219i\u00a0Nicolas Trifon despre \u00ab\u00a0Patria arom\u00e2nilor\u00a0\u00bb"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

Pe 14-20.02.2013 a ap<\/strong>\u00e3rut \u00een\u00a0\u00a0Dilema veche<\/em> n\u00b0 470 articolul lui N. Trifon intitulat \u00ab\u00a0Patria arom\u00e2nilor\u00a0?\u00a0\u00bb <\/strong>http:\/\/89.36.26.192\/sectiune\/tema-saptamanii\/articol\/patria-aromanilor<\/a>. A urmat comentariul trimis de D. Piceava intitulat \u00ab\u00a0Balcanii patria arom\u00e2nilor\u00a0?\u00a0\u00bb la care N. Trifon a r<\/strong>\u00e3spuns la r\u00e2ndul s<\/strong>\u00e3u.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n

1<\/strong>. \u201eArom\u00e2nii, un popor a c\u00e3rui patrie s\u00eent Balcanii\u201c,<\/em> afirma Radovan Tomasevic, ne spune Nicolas Trifon.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

a) Afirmatia de mai sus cuprinde un adev\u00e3r insotit de un neadev\u00e3r. Arom\u00e2nii, cum ne spun Rom\u00e2nii sau Vlahii, cum ne spun grecii \u015fi slavii din Balcani, sau Arm\u00e2njlji ( Makidonarm\u00e2njlji), cum ne spunem noi, sunt, intr-adev\u00e3r, un popor de sine st\u00e3t\u00e3tor de mai bine de dou\u00e3 mii de ani \u015fi nu de ieri, de alalt\u00e3ieri.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

b) In ce priveste patria arom\u00e2nilor, ea poate fi \u015fi Balcanii, cum se afirm\u00e3 \u00een acest articol, sau, de ce nu?, zicem noi, \u015fi Europa! Acelasi lucru putem s\u00e3-l spunem \u015fi despre orice alt popor din Balcani \u015fi din Europa. Numai c\u00e3 o astfel de afirmatie nu s-a f\u00e3cut \u015fi nici nu se poate face, except\u00e2nd poporul arom\u00e2n! Si aceasta pentru faptul c\u00e3 orice popor din Balcani sau din Europa s-a format intr-un spatiu bine delimitat.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Si vom da ca exemplu aici formarea poporului rom\u00e2n. \u201cDupa cucerirea Daciei, se spune \u00een oricare dintre istoriile poporului rom\u00e2n, dacii au continuat s\u00e3 tr\u00e3iasc\u00e3 \u00een spatiul carpato-danubiano-pontic,<\/strong> alaturi de colonistii romani adusi pe acest teritoriu\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Asadar, aici s-a format poporul rom\u00e2n: spatiul carpato-danubiano-pontic<\/strong>, ca urmas al dacilor \u015fi nu \u00een Balcani sau \u00een Europa, ca urmas al macedonenilor.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Balcanii, denumire istoric\u00e3 \u015fi geografic\u00e3 folosit\u00e3 pentru a descrie Europa de Sud-Est, are o suprafat\u00e3 de cca 550.000 km\u00b2 \u015fi o populatie de circa 53 de milioane de oameni.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Si acum intrebarea: In care colt sau loc bine delimitat al Balcanilor s-a fomat poporul arom\u00e2n? Chiar asa, poporul arom\u00e2n s-a format pe tot spatiul acesta delimitat de cca 550.000 km\u00b2? S\u00e3 fim seriosi! O asemenea afirmatie nu putea s\u00e3 o fac\u00e3 dec\u00e2t unul care face parte din cele patru popoare vecine acelui spatiu \u00een care s-a format poporul arom\u00e2n \u015fi acela este spatiul Macedoniei. Suprafata acelui loc era de cca 87.500 km\u00b2.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Asadar, acesta este spatiul \u00een care s-a format poporul arom\u00e2n dealungul a mii de ani \u015fi aceasta este patria lor: Macedonia \u015fi nu Balcanii.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

2<\/strong>. Domnul Trifon, atunci c\u00e2nd se refer\u00e3 la slavii din actuala Rep. Macedonia foloseste termenul de \u201cmacedoneni slavi<\/em>\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Intrebare: de ce atunci c\u00e2nd se refer\u00e3 la arom\u00e2ni (arm\u00e2ni) foloseste termenul de arom\u00e2ni sau vlahi \u015fi nu acela de macedoneni arm\u00e2ni<\/em>?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

3<\/strong>. Domnul Trifon afirm\u00e3 c\u00e3: \u201cTinuturile din Pind \u015fi din jurul acestui masiv muntos care prelungeste Alpii p\u00een\u00e3 \u00een Grecia, unde ei tr\u00e3iesc de secole\u201d.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Arom\u00e2nii tr\u00e3iesc \u00een aceste locuri mai sus pomenite \u015fi \u00een \u00eentreaga Macedonie istoric\u00e3 nu de secole ci de peste dou\u00e3 mii de ani.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Aceste elemete i-au determinat pe arom\u00e2nii s\u00e3 aibe o limb\u00e3 comun\u00e3, o cultur\u00e3 \u015fi o istorie comun\u00e3, elemente care-i fac s\u00e3 se diferentieze de celelalte populatii majoritare \u00een care au ajuns, din nefericire, s\u00e3 tr\u00e3iasc\u00e3.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Cu toate acestea Tratatul de Pace incheiat \u00een Bucure\u015fti \u00een 10 august 1913 nu-i ia \u00een considerare pe arom\u00e2ni, imp\u00e3rtindu-i \u00een patru p\u00e3rti vecinilor, \u00eempreun\u00e3 cu p\u00e3m\u00e2ntul lor pe care s-au format ca popor aparte.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

4<\/strong>. Dl Trifon mai afrm\u00e3 c\u00e3: \u201cCererea de recunoastere ca minoritate national\u00e3, discutabil\u00e3 din multe puncte de vedere (?!?), a fost respins\u00e3\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Cererea depus\u00e3 \u00een anul 2006 de c\u00e3tre Federatia Liga Arom\u00e2nilor din Rom\u00e2nia, reprezentant\u00e3 autorizat\u00e3 a comunit\u00e3tii arom\u00e2ne din Rom\u00e2nia, conf. art. 25 din Statutul s\u00e3u, la autrit\u00e3tile competente ale statului rom\u00e2n nu a fost respins\u00e3, cum afirm\u00e3 domnia sa, ci a fost trimis\u00e3 la Departamentul Minorit\u00e3tilor din cadrul Parlamentului Rom\u00e2niei. De aici am primit r\u00e3spunsul c\u00e2 ea va fi pus\u00e3 \u00een discutie atunci c\u00e2nd Legfea Minorit\u00e3tilor va fi discutat\u00e3 \u00een Parlament.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Raspunsul lui N. Trif<\/strong>on<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Formula ziaristului iugoslav citata \u00een articol e o metafora care pune \u00een lumina o realitate sui generis, prezenta arom\u00e2nilor \u00eentr-o regiune traversata de frontiere care separa mai multe state-natiuni \u015fi dificutatea cu care sunt confruntati aceia dintre ei care vor sa-si cultive \u00eempreuna \u00ab diferenta \u00bb. Fenomenul rasp\u00e2ndirii arom\u00e2nilor nu e nou si, \u00een ultimele doua secole, aria prezentei lor nu a \u00eencetat s\u0103 se extinda. El se explica prin mobilitatea acestora care, la r\u00e2ndul ei, decurge din profilul lor ocupational legat succesiv de cresterea extensiva a oilor, de artizanat, de transport \u015fi de comert, cultivarea pam\u00e2ntului fiind traditional o ocupatie pu\u0163in rasp\u00e2ndita la ei. \u00ab Scurtul comentariu \u00bb adaugat de D. Piceava constituie \u00een schimb un adevarat program national \u00eentocmit dupa modelul rom\u00e2nesc, macedonenii din antichitate juc\u00e2nd rolul dacilor \u00een formarea asa-zisilor \u00ab macedoneni arm\u00e2ni \u00bb. Nu cred ca Dilema veche est locul potrivit \u015fi nici acest \u00eenceput de secolul XXI nu este momentul cel mai fericit pentru a dezbate un asemenea subiect. Ma voi limita deci la c\u00e2teva observatii provind \u00abneadevarurile \u00bb care \u00eemi sunt atribuite. Arom\u00e2nii sunt atestati incep\u00e2nd cu sf\u00e2rsitul secolului al X-lea \u00een regiunea \u00een care se gasesc p\u00e2na \u00een zilele noastre comunele lor, regiune care corespunde nu numai Macedoniei dar \u015fi Epirului \u015fi Tesaliei istorice. Depre perioada care precede nu avem documente directe ci doar ipoteze mai mult sau mai pu\u0163in plauzibile. Un lucru este sigur, daca lasam speculatile fanteziste \u00een materie de etnogeneza, nimic nu ne permite s\u0103 afirmam ca arom\u00e2nii, \u015fi numai ei, erau descendentii macedonenilor \u015fi numai a macedonenilor. Ceea ce este tot at\u00e2t de sigur e ca \u00een cele trei regiuni istorice citate, \u015fi \u00een fiecare dintre ele, arom\u00e2nii erau un popor printre alte popoare, concentrat mai ales \u00een zonele muntoase greu accesibile. Daca termenul \u00ab macedo-rom\u00e2ni \u00bb pentru a-i desemna pe arm\u00e2ni \u015fi rr\u00e2m\u00e2ni e un neologism folosit \u00een perioada \u015fcolilor rom\u00e2nesti din Imperiul otoman \u00een ultima treime a secolului al XIX-lea, acela de \u00abmakedonarm\u00e2njlji \u00bb pomenit de D. Piceava este \u015fi el un exonim, nu mai pu\u0163in politic, \u00eensa mult mai recent, introdus dupa 1989 de unii \u00ab makedoni \u00bb, adica arom\u00e2ni din Rom\u00e2nia. Trebuie oare s\u0103 mai precizam ca, \u00een Grecia, Republica Macedonia sau Albania, arom\u00e2nii risca s\u0103 \u00eent\u00e2mpine anumite dificultati prezent\u00e2ndu-se ca macedoneni ?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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